LE GENTLEMAN

[Mod9]

Ok Tobey,

I had my finger on the ban button but I looked at your drawing. I find it disturbingly funny. I am sure your shrink will ask for signed posters. I won't ban you thinking that it is the lasdt time I'll ear about this story.

[Missinheels]

They say persistence pays off in the end... maybe not so much in Tobey's case.

[agentleman27]

Originally Posted by Tobey

Yes I did screw up.
And like I have said I am first of all very sorry to Lydia,
also an apology to the staff of Le Gent is in order.

I couldn't believe my hears when I heard it. I always told you that I didn't want to be involved in this. Imagine how bad I would feel if I would have answered your questions and then make a scene like you did !!!!

I told you many times NOTHING good would come out of this but in your delusional mind you thought I was wrong. I am not sure you even realize how wrong you are. Without being friends with her I can say that I know her since maybe 4 years. When I told you that many men confused the illusion she sells for reality you thought you were an exception. Let me tell you that many men believed they were exceptions when dealing with strippers. And don't even try to blame her, she is doing her job and you CHOSE not to listen to 2Legit, me, and others.

Do you think leGent's personnel want an apology from you? I would think that instead they want you out !!!!

Tobey, go seek help. You need it. Before it is too late.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by agentleman27

many men believed they were exceptions when dealing with strippers. And don't even try to blame her, she is doing her job and you CHOSE not to listen to 2Legit, me, and others.

Strippers are dateable for free or fuckable for free but you really got to know how to play the game. I have done it often. However don't even bother if she is being pimped. She's not worth fighting over with a pimp, she'll learn that the hard way.

First thing they try at first is to bait you which is known as the old stripper's web. You know, exchange of phone numbers or contact info. However, before even proceeding here, make sure a part of her sincerely likes you. How do you know? You get much better mileage than the average joe or she kisses you on the mouth during lapdances when she doesn't with others.

If you have enough judgment to honestly tell that she sincerely likes a part of you besides your money then things will progress. So at first, she might call you to say hey babe I'm working tonight.

Next thing you will notice is that other strippers that know her will avoid you? Why you ask? Because you are now the stripper's property in the minds of other girls. Trust me I asked MANY girls hey why don't you talk to me or go for a dance. The reply was: "But you're friends with what's her name, she will get mad at me if I dance for you."

Next step, show no loyalty and piss off your girl hard and go with other dancers not to make her jealous but because you sincerely like other girls. Believe me, she will confront you eventually and you tell her straight: "Listen, you think I'm in love with you or something because we had some good lapdances. You're nice but that's not enough to get my loyalty."

This is where she will respect you tremendously as you are a man and not her puppy dog that she can control like a slave. (Let's go dance, buy me a drink, tell me a story....) If you do give her something it's because you choose to without her demanding it. If she made a lot of money: "Ask her, why don't you offer me a drink or get some shots."

Also, never show you care or are jealous. I've told them many times, go dance for that guy, he's looking at you and you got bills to pay so go dance for that guy cause I'm not your sugar daddy but he'll help your finances.

Psychologically, the stripper is thinking this guy is a man or even pimp and things will progress only if she sincerely liked you. When she realizes she cannot get easy money from ypou, she will work hard to try and seduce you or impress if she liked you from the beginning.

If she doesn't like you sincerely from the beginning or show any signs of attraction then just pay her, have your fun but don't get attached like a loser to a woman that would never see you or be with you in her personal life.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by Tobey

Interesting perspective on things.
However I prefer to be honest with what I am feeling.
It is to easy to play games in clubs and get confused.
That is why I try to express my true feelings, and hope the
woman will do the same.
Yes some are out to manipualte you, but once in a while you do
meet someone who truly cares. That is why I prefer to be honest.

It's a rough world Tobey that is not for the faint of heart. Therefore, a lot of these girls are looking for a really strong man. You don't have to be mean or a jerk to be a strong man.

They are still women so they either meet guys that they will ALWAYS see as just clients but sometimes they meet guys they like but a girly-man won't pick up a stripper especially the younger generation. They want a man that makes them feel secure and protected.

You have to play games just like they play or the only time you'll ever continue to see her is at the club because of your money.

[agentleman27]

Originally Posted by Tobey

Yes some are out to manipulate you, but once in a while you do meet someone who truly cares. That is why I prefer to be honest.

....and Lydia doesn't care about you. It is as simple as that.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by agentleman27

....and Lydia doesn't care about you. It is as simple as that.

That's right Tobey. Your attitude with a stripper goes a long way. I'm associated with a couple Montreal strip clubs as my family does the books for them (accounting).

So I personally know and have met a lot of these Haitian pimps that have a stranglehold on the younger strippers (18-24 age bracket)

Some of these pimps are butt ugly and look like shit but the girls respect them and love them because they have very strong attitudes and command the relationship unlike the clients who are puppy dogs and let the women manipulate them so easily.

These girls have no respect for men that are too soft. They will only treat you good for your money. Nice guys do well with non-stripper girls or the older ones but strip clubs are a unique world.

So like I said, you can be strong of character and attitude without being mean, vulgar or violent. Show her your a man and she will come back to you if she sincerely and honestly liked you. If not, take it as a learning experience to change your ways.

If she just played you from the start, at least don't spend a dime on her and make her work extra hard if she wants your business.

We always wonder what does a beautiful stripper see in that asshole? Well, nice soft guys finish last with strippers. A lot need a strong male presence in their lives since many have very painful pasts.

Don't get me wrong. A lot are 100% normal and just love the money of the business so don't fall in love if she has no sincere interest in you but many are messed up psychologically.

[Mod9]

Tobey,

That's it. I'll let Tom decide on your ultimate fate but I don't think it is a good think to have you as a MERC member. You didn't deny throwing a glass at Lydia. Clearly you have issues that are outside the scope of MERC.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by Mod9

Tobey,

That's it. I'll let Tom decide on your ultimate fate but I don't think it is a good think to have you as a MERC member. You didn't deny throwing a glass at Lydia. Clearly you have issues that are outside the scope of MERC.

Not to be mean Tobey, but Mod9 makes an excellent point man.You have 173 posts under your belt but only like one that was useful to us hobbyists.

All the rest about this Lydia chick! Man, I don't know her and have never seen her, but all this blabber for so many months makes me wanna go see her for a test drive in the booths. So curious as to how you got so desperately hooked.

Does she still work at the Gentleman?

Can someone make the effort to post a quick summary with names and quick description of the talent that is currently actively working at le Gentleman. Have not been there since like 2004! LOL

Also, what are the average rates these days that the dancers expect for booth action? Song limit?

Thanks

[eastender]

Perhaps it's the cynical side of me but "The Tobey Saga" seems like a board soap opera, with willing and unwilling participants, designed to draw attention and customers to a specific venue.

Will not go into the multiple subplots and twists or the credibility elements but one thing is very clear - certain people are getting a financial benefit while others are not being as impoverished as portrayed.

[Mod9]

For his constant obsession with a stripper Tobey has been banned for 2 weeks. Every time he will make allusions to this stripper the ban will be repeated.

[agentleman27]

Originally Posted by Bigboyeddie

Does she still work at the Gentleman?

BBE, Unfortunately I can't answer this question until Tobey gets committed to a mental institution Seriously I prefer not to reveal Lydia's whereabouts, at least publicly.

Originally Posted by Bigboyeddie

Can someone make the effort to post a quick summary with names and quick description of the talent that is currently actively working at le Gentleman. Have not been there since like 2004! LOL

BBE, you are so helpful that I will make an effort to post more often with the goal of answering your questions. Day and night shift teams are quite different. Day girls have, in general, more experience and have steady(and I imagine satisfied) customers.

Night shift? Expect an average of 15 girls during weekend evenings and around 10 during the beginning of the week.

Most of the girls range from cute next door to gorgeous(hello Jada, Christina, Emma, Celina ).

Originally Posted by Bigboyeddie

Also, what are the average rates these days that the dancers expect for booth action? Song limit?

Thanks

Rates? First and foremost settle the financial part before getting into the action. This is very important. There is always a few girls who have a tendency to overcharge. It has been a while but I think it is $200 for FS and $120 for CBJ. Again check with the girl. Number of songs? It varies but I would say average is 3.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by agentleman27

Rates? First and foremost settle the financial part before getting into the action. This is very important. There is always a few girls who have a tendency to overcharge. It has been a while but I think it is $200 for FS and $120 for CBJ. Again check with the girl. Number of songs? It varies but I would say average is 3.

Wow! Talk about major inflation. In the beginning of the decade at the now defunct Grand Prix were I had gone to AT LEAST 50 times. It was 80 for CBJ and 120 for FS. Obviously I'll take my chances negotiating.

200 bucks for a quickie is just a little dumb. I can afford it with the amount of hobbying I do but it's a bad value. LOL as you can have takeout from regular strip joints for a longer time.

These are the types of places you go to on special occasions (birthday, bachelor party) as I can easily spend a 1000 bucks just to leave satisfied since 10 to 15 mins won't cut it for me. LOL

I'm not bashing, just saying FS strip clubs are a totally different animal from the outcall/incall SP scene.

[2Legit]

EE: believe it or not Tobey is for real, I have seen the soap with my own eyes... and still can't believe it myself. I do give credit to Lydia (or whatever she calls herself these days), for being professional and taking the money, while pretending she is enjoying the company. But the truth of the matter is, and her eyes don't lie, when you see her socializing with some around the club, she isn't enjoying that company at all. Her eyes follow the movements of the doorman just to make sure she knows where he is at any moment in time, in case she needs anything. That paints you a picture. Door man knows that and his peripheral vision is operating at 1000%. This is a disaster waiting to happen, but it won't until Tobey spends his last single cent on her and there is no more, or when something bad happens. Which ever happens first, he is out for good.

BBE: It is pricey, at $200 a SOG, I expect SPs to wash and wax the ride, change the oil and rotate the tires too. But, for some of us (i.e. yours truly) its the added value of the social aspects of a night out hobbying at a strip club that lacks limitations. Instead of being stuck in a motel room all by myself, or a parking lot waiting for my turn to go in... instant gratification is achieved through socializing with the girls, grabbing a few asses by the bar (apologies to a27 he isn't my type - lol), whispering dirty talk to them and see them giggle, flirting with the bartender to get her to flash her boobs etc... until the main event. Adds to the overall experience. But, again, thats just me talking.

[Bigboyeddie]

Originally Posted by 2Legit

BBE: It is pricey, at $200 a SOG, I expect SPs to wash and wax the ride, change the oil and rotate the tires too. But, for some of us (i.e. yours truly) its the added value of the social aspects of a night out hobbying at a strip club that lacks limitations. Instead of being stuck in a motel room all by myself, or a parking lot waiting for my turn to go in... instant gratification is achieved through socializing with the girls, grabbing a few asses by the bar, whispering dirty talk to them and see them giggle etc... until the main event. Adds to the overall experience. But, again, thats just me talking.

Of course, fully understable. I do that at the regular strip joints and hustle them. I'm still fairly young so I can get some action in my real life from the strippers on occasion when I play my cards right but if they are not interested in me and just my pocket, I can negotiate some take out instead for an hour or two instead of the 3 song Wam-Bam-Thank you ma'am!

Like I said, I get why you like it. It's like going to a club: Music, hot bitches, alcohol, flirt with chicks except you can bang them directly in the Club instead. LOL All good Dawg!

We be pimpin' them for Elf's Bitches! LOL

[2Legit]

Originally Posted by NYME

... I am breaking glasses and tipping over chairs down here

Thats OK. Breaking glasses, burning down houses, throwing knives and tipping over chairs is pretty normal. Once you start writing poems THEN we are in trouble

[agentleman27]

Originally Posted by NYME

A27 you must find an alternate to shine Sab's ass. I mean there must be others out there

Not sure I can find someone. Anyone can paint a wall but very few can restore the Sistine Chapel. And we have to agree that Sabrina's ass is a work of art. I am thinking of having it declared a National Treasure

[2Legit]

Meguiars has a new spray wax, NXT, that can even be applied in direct sunlight. Won't beat Meguiars Gold Class, but still, comes close. Try that, let me know how it goes

[agentleman27]

I visited leGent yesterday. 15 girls most 8 and above only 2 below 7. I do not always agree with the booker's choice but I must say he is on a roll.

I see a nice trend developing. leGent is booking a few more lady like women. By that I mean above 25, gorgeous in a subtle way, very bright and in control. Of course these women aren't for girly men who can only fish in a fish tank Yesterday Kristina, Sarah were part of this select group of women you bring to a business meeting and even introduce to your mom.

[2Legit]

(on the scale from 1 to Summer, where would you put Sarah? ... are you cheating on your future x-wife again? ts, ts, ts... LOL)